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SK7000 said: I think it's pointless to try to establish guidelines into handling all the possible topics that can flourish in here. Clamp I'd rather just let people post what interests them, and reply to things that catch their eyes. Interesting topics will stay afloat, the others will sink along. We aren't here to impose on people what they should talk about, so I doubt guidelines would help.
Hah excellent! I can see how it helps to make guidelines to keep things ordered even though that remains questionable. Personally I prefer the natural flow of the conversation. Count me in!
SK7000 said: I prefer to by step the topic on war. Though I think most wars are caused by greed for foreign natural resources (if not religious reasons).
When viewing poverty as the need for resources and on the other hand greed, the need for resources for other purposes, we can see that they are not so different at closer inspection. However...I do find that most things we state as causes of war are derived from poverty of any kind. Lack of culture in which we see each other as "nationalists" "religious groups" etc. rather than humans, or the more easy to see lack of food, water, shelter and other required basic resources which unfortunatly not everyone has.
I don't see large gaps in our viewpoints on this and I would like to continue to discuss this. However I know of little sources or history itself to be able to support this to any relevant input besides speculation . I wish I could say: "Care to do some research?" but my current calender has an overabundance of tasks as it is.
I think SK7000 and I are not so very far apart in perspective from the topic of gender roles/emancipation/gender equality.
Gregol said: so the next question is world-poverty...
For continuation and lack of research I would like to offer my speculation on poverty. I defaulted war into this but I'd rather consider Gregol's view of world poverty.
my speculation on the proposed undefined concept of world poverty
Ok so you mentioned world poverty. Let me just start with a definition of poverty then and drop the speed.
Google definition: pov·er·ty/ˈpävərtē/ Noun: The state of being extremely poor. The state of being inferior in quality or insufficient in amount. Synonyms: destitution - want - penury - indigence - need - poorness
Being inferior in quality opens up options depending on the used definition of quality. I could consider myself poor for being of lesser intelligence than all my peers.
Being extremely poor axiomatically refers to monetary resources (or otherwise interchangable for currency implying that others will attribute such values to it)
Now when mapped to "world" to get "world poverty" something interesting happens. First of all the concept of inferiority becomes an impossibility as we defined world as everything (Let's not compare to Mars, Lyrae or whatever resides in Andromeda just yet). This leaves me to believe that world poverty is the lack of resources to keep our world "things we can reach" running the way we want it to.
I'll stop here and ask this first: "Is this the definition of world poverty you were going for? Or were you considering a different concept which seems to be inferred from more common speech patterns in which is stated that some countries have less than others? Or were you suggesting a more "green" view in which we see the world as not just our economy and materialistic views but rather our position and relation as part of nature?"
Mnessie
over 11 years agoWhen viewing poverty as the need for resources and on the other hand greed, the need for resources for other purposes, we can see that they are not so different at closer inspection. However...I do find that most things we state as causes of war are derived from poverty of any kind. Lack of culture in which we see each other as "nationalists" "religious groups" etc. rather than humans, or the more easy to see lack of food, water, shelter and other required basic resources which unfortunatly not everyone has.
I don't see large gaps in our viewpoints on this and I would like to continue to discuss this. However I know of little sources or history itself to be able to support this to any relevant input besides speculation . I wish I could say: "Care to do some research?" but my current calender has an overabundance of tasks as it is.
I think SK7000 and I are not so very far apart in perspective from the topic of gender roles/emancipation/gender equality.
For continuation and lack of research I would like to offer my speculation on poverty. I defaulted war into this but I'd rather consider Gregol's view of world poverty.
my speculation on the proposed undefined concept of world poverty
Ok so you mentioned world poverty. Let me just start with a definition of poverty then and drop the speed.
Google definition:
pov·er·ty/ˈpävərtē/ Noun:
The state of being extremely poor.
The state of being inferior in quality or insufficient in amount.
Synonyms:
destitution - want - penury - indigence - need - poorness
Being inferior in quality opens up options depending on the used definition of quality. I could consider myself poor for being of lesser intelligence than all my peers.
Being extremely poor axiomatically refers to monetary resources (or otherwise interchangable for currency implying that others will attribute such values to it)
Now when mapped to "world" to get "world poverty" something interesting happens. First of all the concept of inferiority becomes an impossibility as we defined world as everything (Let's not compare to Mars, Lyrae or whatever resides in Andromeda just yet). This leaves me to believe that world poverty is the lack of resources to keep our world "things we can reach" running the way we want it to.
I'll stop here and ask this first: "Is this the definition of world poverty you were going for? Or were you considering a different concept which seems to be inferred from more common speech patterns in which is stated that some countries have less than others? Or were you suggesting a more "green" view in which we see the world as not just our economy and materialistic views but rather our position and relation as part of nature?"