You guys are missing a major point. If the redirect is canceled every time you try to reach konachan.com you'll get a hard disconnect. That's it. You won't see the site anyway if you don't use a proxy. The ONLY thing this does is still GET YOU something, in the form of konachan.net.

We aren't the ones you should be complaining to, this is quite frankly out of our hands. :S
slayerduck said:
And then get banned for half the ISPs in Russia. Yeah, no.
slayerduck said:
With this method we are in control, i can play with it in the future. If we end up being blocked completely its game over and we lost control.
alaron said:
We aren't the ones you should be complaining to, this is quite frankly out of our hands. :S
Trying to save all of the lambs? Nobly. But I continue bringing to you one simple thing:
If you turn off the redirection, even those who use bad ISPs will have a full access and will be grateful to you. Let's repeat: In that case EVEN a bad ISP users will not be a hard disconnected. I know what I'm talking about.
slayer/alaron, there's one specific element that you have continually sidestepped in your explanations: the equals sign.

I'm reading what you two are saying as "refusing to follow Roskomnadzor's (purportedly extra-legal and/or illegal) demands =(so 100% certainty that this will occur)= a total konachan.com blockage in Russia". Why do you think that no other outcome is possible if you refuse? Do these reports from users inside Russia itself, providing evidence that RKN may not follow suit and that even if they do there are major Russian ISPs which will legally ignore their mandates with impunity, mean nothing to you?

The only ideas that I have are that either you misunderstood and/or overlooked what people were saying in this thread in a impressive series of herp-a-derp moments, or that you received one of those "it's illegal to tell anybody about this, but fuck you" letters from another government which is closer to home for the Konachan servers themselves.
I have explained my reasons for this, if you don't want a VPN another alternative is a site that aint blocked such as rule34 or tbib

http://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=width%3a%3E1024+height%3a%3E768+score%3a%3E20
http://tbib.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=width%3a%3E1024+height%3a%3E768
Ублюдки я в шоке, нечего я буду игнорировать эти тупые законы. Есть способы обойти эту тупую систему.
slayerduck said:
I have explained my reasons for this...
As the person asking the question, I will tell you that I haven't received an answer yet.

evidence against RKN blocking Konachan posted throughout the thread, spoilerized to compress post

I believe that Roscomnadzor is bluffing with their threat against Konachan as a whole, and that you fell for it. But you can turn that around.

Oh, and you didn't answer Zolxys's inquiry either (at least not publicly) =P
slayerduck said:
With this method we are in control, i can play with it in the future. If we end up being blocked completely its game over and we lost control.
End of discussion, locked.
Reopened, i hope we have all cooled off a little bit. No offense to all people who argued in this topic but you should know that when i say something about site/server related things i know at least a tiny bit what i am talking about and i don't make baseless assumptions or spread bullshit without actually investigating something.

Thus today i present to you, my research on the great Russian firewall:
http://blog.booru.org/?p=159

tldr; Efficiency blocking rate 50%, while some ISPs are doing complete blocks other ISPs don't comply at all.
As I understand it: or have access for all ISPs (.net version, mainly that forum, which didn't used often by russians), or have full access for all independent ISPs and being banned for those, who under RKN's control.
From my point of view - it is sad to have access to all internet resourses and use . proxy for access to .com kona. In any case - the both sides of the force (RKN controlled and independent) will use proxy and anonymizers, when the redirection is still active.
Whatever decision you took - you have done not a small job, analyzing our ISPs, now you can see that we didn't lied about RKN independent ISPs.
В Роскомнадзоре сидят наркоманы, не иначе ) Блочат сайты, на которых в принципе то нет информации, за которую можно блочить, вместо того чтобы походить по клубам/школьным дискотекам/прочим местам массового скопления ШКОЛЬНИКОВ и посмотреть, какое лоли-порево творится там. Они создают видимость борьбы: на практике же они ничего не делают. Бесполезное отделение в правительстве, с бесполезными людьми в нем.
В Роскомнадзоре сидят
Щенки, б***ь!
DangErXeTER said:
В Роскомнадзоре сидят наркоманы, не иначе ) Блочат сайты, на которых в принципе то нет информации, за которую можно блочить, вместо того чтобы походить по клубам/школьным дискотекам/прочим местам массового скопления ШКОЛЬНИКОВ и посмотреть, какое лоли-порево творится там. Они создают видимость борьбы: на практике же они ничего не делают. Бесполезное отделение в правительстве, с бесполезными людьми в нем.
Да, согласен
Sad news...

The URL: http://konachan.com/sample/977ba7ef5f684a7da0f996b2d7e1339d/Konachan.com%20-%20146883%20sample.jpg is still opens in Russia. Are you sure that konachan.com and konachan.net will not be banned?

Recently ROSKOMNADZOR ban rutracker.org because of illegal content on different site: rutracker.ru. I think nothing helps. :-( So ROSKOMNADZOR already can ban everything and without any reason...
ISPs cannot ignore ROSKOMNADZOR ban list because their can lose their license. ISPs must block by URL and only if they can't then ban by IP. Unfortunately not all russian's ISPs can ban by URL and many ban by IP...

As I know ROSKOMNADZOR doesn't do the expertise by itself and exertise was providen by "Safe Internet League" ( http://www.ligainternet.ru/en/ ). I don't think that they do any real expertise at all according to their site:
http://www.ligainternet.ru/en/news/news-detail.php?ID=2719
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vedomosti.ru%2Ftech%2Fnews%2F17646111%2Fliga-pretknoveniya&act=url
"Roscomnadzor brings them into the register of prohibited content (After which the operators are required to block access to them), but expertise is not engaged agency staff, and four "Women over forty" of LBI, admitted last year the head of oversight Alexander Zharov"

But it seems the good news that "Safe Internet League" will not provide any future expertise for ROSKOMNADZOR in 2014: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&u=http%3A%2F%2Fizvestia.ru%2Fnews%2F559800&act=url

Small hope that something changes. Russian experts already found child pornography in Great Teacher Onizuka: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tovievich.ru%2Fbook%2F18%2F383%2F10.htm&act=url
"Study submitted to enter into series production of the animated series "Great Teacher Onizuka"... revealed that these audiovisual materials in a variety of signs contain propaganda the cult of violence and cruelty, to publicly justify and promote violence and cruelty, especially - in the form of pedophilia (sexual assault of children)."
acc9273 said:
Sad news...
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... Great Teacher Onizuka: ... form of pedophilia (sexual assault of children)."
Three doctors of science in commission...

Lord, deliver us from evil. Amen.
This is starting to get comical. Do the Russian govt not understand Japanese...anymore then anyone else understands the Japanese.
acc9273 said:
Sad news...

The URL: http://konachan.com/sample/977ba7ef5f684a7da0f996b2d7e1339d/Konachan.com%20-%20146883%20sample.jpg is still opens in Russia. Are you sure that konachan.com and konachan.net will not be banned?
I can't fix that, its because direct urls bypasses the software and it has to do with the way .com and .net is setup.
Kumacuda said:
This is starting to get comical. Do the Russian govt not understand Japanese...anymore then anyone else understands the Japanese.
As usual in Russia.
Russia officials refer to the "United Nations Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the Sale of Children, Child Prostitution and Child Pornography" that Russia sign on September 26 of 2012 and US sign on July 5 of 2000.
https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=IND&mtdsg_no=IV-11-c&chapter=4&lang=en

According to the protocol ( https://treaties.un.org/doc/source/docs/A_Res_54_263-E.pdf ) ANNEX II, article 2 (c), page 8:
Child pornography means any representation, by whatever means, of a child engaged in real or simulated explicit sexual activities or any representation of the sexual parts of a child for primarily sexual purposes.

So, they treat this as wide as possible. They even plan to consider some texts as child pornography... And there is not only hentai forbidden, manga also forbidden and I think anime at all will be forbidden too...
That only didn't bring in the register but whom it will stop!?
slayerduck said:
I can't fix that, its because direct urls bypasses the software and it has to do with the way .com and .net is setup.
So what reason to redirect from .com to .net? Now .com links redirect to .net and instead of ban only .com links most likely both domains and IPs will be banned...

IS:Russian_of_Shadow said:
That only didn't bring in the register but whom it will stop!?
It is only the beginning...
acc9273 said:
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It is only the beginning...
Yes. It's just a warm-up... Someone bred information war about Vanga predictions, such as Russia will be the greatest state and all shudder under its power... Nonsense. And who would believe it? Our future possibilities is: totalitarian state, utopia.
Maybe you add some backdoor enter or a special cookie parameter that allows to enter to full verion of konachan from russians IP? Like exhentai for example.
It's realy frustrating to use proxy or some other tools to access to full version of konachan.
Jaga said:
Maybe you add some backdoor enter or a special cookie parameter that allows to enter to full verion of konachan from russians IP? Like exhentai for example.
It's realy frustrating to use proxy or some other tools to access to full version of konachan.
You need to bring that to your officials... Our hands are tied.
It's quite old topic, but just now I got pissed by teapot header and that's why I'm here

alaron said:
You guys are missing a major point. If the redirect is canceled every time you try to reach konachan.com you'll get a hard disconnect. That's it. You won't see the site anyway if you don't use a proxy. The ONLY thing this does is still GET YOU something, in the form of konachan.net.

We aren't the ones you should be complaining to, this is quite frankly out of our hands. :S
Okay, look. Some providers bans sites entirely, some of them only the pages/IPs that got blacklisted. My ISP is nice and do not block entire site when they wasn't told to, so I personally don't have any problems with accessing konachan.com, except your redirection.

I also believe that if site got blocked entirely - nobody from russia will ever get redirection header anyway.

You can create a mirror on some subdomain, like noredirect.konachan.com, put robots.txt in root level in order to not let it appear on search engines results and let russian users manually change konachan.net to noredirect.konachan.com in adress bar when they got 418 header. And if they use some proxy or have a nice provider like mine - they will be able to access content they need. It's fairly easy to do with only few modifications to nginx config, cmon.

However, I doesn't have any troubles accessing danbooru, so it's the last time when you see me here.

also

You need to bring that to your officials... Our hands are tied.
Nonono. There was nice petition on government site that requires registration with user identity confirmation. So fake signs isn't possible there. It got lots of signs and got completely ignored by government. What else can you recommend? War with government? No thank you. Some of our major internet companies were against this law as well and nobody listened to them.

So maybe you can change this situation by not fucking cooperating with them and by not making them think their broken laws are working.

Look, booru.org already canceled redirection to the blog (never heard of this redirection before though)
AdminsYou'reMad said:
blahblah
Unblocking means that we lose 50% of our Russian visitors (source: http://blog.booru.org/?p=159)

It looks like you at least have a tiny bit of knowledge of how things work but i fail to understand why you're okay with having a censored and monitored internet to begin with. If i were to be in Russia i would permanently be using a proxy/VPN for a free and unrestricted internet.

But it doesn't matter what i say, since you already gone to danbooru. So bai~
Sorry for posting here in this age old topic, and if circumstances have changed, then I doubly apologize, but I want to ask something important.

Is your reasoning for complying with the request to protect traffic sources for ad revenue OR to represent what you believe is in the best interest of Russian visitors?

If it is to protect ad revenue, then I understand why you would want to prevent a hard disconnect for users, but if it is because you believe that you are doing Russian citizens a favor, then you are making a mistake.

slayerduck said:
If i were to be in Russia i would permanently be using a proxy/VPN for a free and unrestricted internet.
This is a good solution, but it is only working around the problem. There is a MUCH better solution.

If you refuse to comply with the request and they institute the ban, then the data you cite indicates around 50% of Russian users would experience a hard disconnect. This data is likely outdated now as more users have switched to "good hosts".

The users you DO lose would mostly still connect via proxy or VPN.

But here's where the magic happens: by refusing to comply with the request you are incentivising Russian citizens to switch a non federally controlled ISP which further limits the ability of the federal government to censor the internet.

At least one Russian user (currently using a "bad host") has stated that he is considering switching to a "good host" and that even though refusing to comply with the Roskomnadzor request will result in a hard disconnect, he wishes that individuals on good host would be able to have unrestricted access. Perhaps unrestricted access for good hosts would be the "straw that breaks the camels back" and causes him to change.

Admittedly, the marginal effect that konachan would have on the Russian market is small, but many small sites acting in solidarity can effect change.

You have suggested that Russian citizens protest government censorship, and you've made it clear that you believe in an uncensored internet. But by complying with the request you are effectively endorsing the Russian Internet restriction bill. You are giving up an opportunity to encourage Russian citizens to vote with their dollars to fight the very thing you say they should fight for: an open internet.

Don't endorse censorship. Empower Russian citizens. Lift the redirect.
Well, this happened again: site is blacklisted since 11.02.2015.

Strange, my ISP has DPI, and for https I receive spoofed certificate, but site is still available via http.
Halibut said:
Well, this happened again: site is blacklisted since 11.02.2015.

Strange, my ISP has DPI, and for https I receive spoofed certificate, but site is still available via http.
I'm aware, i got an email saying that this is child porn:
https://konachan.com/post/show/68375/blush-houraisen_runa-loli-navel-nipples-nude-panti

The https thing you get is because they are proxying/redirecting your request. You shouldn't accept their certificate.

Since this topic is no longer relevant and konachan.com should not longer be redirected to .net i'll unsticky this.
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