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sùzù said: I don't generally advocate experimental drug use. I take that stance to be as responsible as possible to those that I speak with, who in many cases are not thinkers and are not willing to do background research or take care to educate themselves on the caveats or mechanisms-of-action of any substance.
"One should never fear drugs but only a fool does not respect them".
In general, if somebody asks me what it feels like to be affected by any given kind of recreational drug, I'll always tell them to think twice before taking something like that themselves and if they can't think of a particular reason, then don't do it at all...
Drugs like LSD, shrooms, NBOME and DMT can be very powerful tools for unlocking the mind, if done correctly and with caution. Potentially, you could end up with permanent brain damage if you act like a fool on this topic.
I've been tripping with people who insisted on going on adventure and that's fine... But they venture places like downtown and likewise.... That's not very smart, go by the seaside or in a forest or something similar. Going downtown while on LSD will highly increase the chance of provoking a bad trip. You want to feel as safe and comfortable as possible.
Hence, I prefer (against all recommendations) taking my drugs alone. That way I'm the only one in control of the whole event. I call the shots on when and where to go on adventure, I don't have to worry about getting paranoid around potential srangers who just tagged along because they know my friends. I can literally do whatever I want, and I'm the first person I've ever heard of who does this. People like other people's company in these things in order to feel safe, but I feel the most safe if I know that I'm alone.
I cannot tell in good conscience a 15 year old hikikomori to try powerful perception altering drugs without prior experience because it may traumatize or harm an uninitiated thrill seeker and I simply don't ever want to see that happen.
I always highly recommend all people to wait until they're 18, at least, before going on such mind-blowing adventures. It really has a huge impact on the mind and thought patterns and if you're not ready for it, then it will fuck you over.
I've experimented with a range of compounds but mostly the type you'll find in body building, athletics, vitamins and naturopathy, etc. as I'm more interested in performance enhancing options available to us then entertainment, thrill, tripping and thus not a lot of pschoactives.
There are psychoactive substances available in the body building world. You have to be careful. There have been cases where "supplement' manufacturers have discovered, invented/created or secretly packaged in a product something rather dangerous for everyone's health or else something that became banned in legit applications and evolved into another recreational/street drug. Examples of legal and useful psychoactive compounds: GABA, phenibut, pramiracetam, aniracetam, kava-kava and the proprietary combination of compounds called BodyQuicken, BrainQuicken, NeuroStim. Those last three contain ingredients I probably wouldn't recommend to anybody. The remainder I don't have a big problem with personally.
I can't really say that I know very much about that ^. Due to illness, I am unable to stress my body so hard workouts, training and physical hobbies are a no-go in some aspects.
Trips
Trippin
I wouldn't mind hearing about it from a perspective of trying to understand better the complex relationships between the mind, perception, chemicals / chemical processes and lastly consciousness. If there is any such thing as consciousness, I mean.
Having a diversity of user-experience is sometimes the ticket to obtaining a greater understanding of something when originally all you have is your own insights to work with.
If it offends people though, then better not.
Well, that one of the things the creative thread is for, and by now people have somewhat accepted my way of living.
I won't go in depth with it yet but I'll tell you the highlights.
On my MDMA trip with my friend; well he doesn't get affected by drugs. He's tried all the same as me with no visible signs of anything. However, mixing a high dose of MDMA with vodka and monster energy drinks will do something to everybody.. And so it did.
We were enjoying the night outside with blankets over us talking about the nice feeling, when he suddenly started making weird faces and movements. They are very difficult to explain seeing as it doesn't look quite like anything else. These "spasms" if you will, grew stronger and stronger and developed into him constantly getting stuck in an endless loop of evil thoughts and robotic tics/movements. It was extremely frightening to look at as he could not control it at all.
He grew a heavy paranoia against me and walked around black-out'in while doing strange things and seriously moving in un-humanly ways. I get the thrills just thinking back on it now. It ended up getting so bad that I had to call 911 and rush them to come over, as I didn't feel safe anymore. Several times, he'd showed signs of wanting to hurt me, but didn't due to the little self control he had left.
He asked me if I were dead or if he were dead, if he'd taken any weapons from his weapon locker and likewise... It really left me in a trauma for days and I still am a little paranoid...
The next couple of nights it haunted me and I didn't get any sleep at all, so I did what I normally do when I'm scared of something and can't get it out of my head; I looked up all info on it until it was not scary anymore.
It wasn't easy though, I had to link Torette's disorder with the use of MDMA to find that there exists a similar after-effect to MDMA as to Crystal meth, called "tweaking". In meth, this is a desired effect that can actually be amusing... However, when it comes to tweaking on MDMA, that means that you've done something that will eventually and literally cook your brain and cause physical damage. This is scary to think about but it is due to abuse and overdosing.
Dimensions
How many dimensions are there?
... do you think I'll try to change your belief/s? Will not.
The reason why I come across as a skeptic is for the purpose of self discipline, discerning what's real and what isn't and considering ways of thinking we adopt as valuable because it will impact all else that we'll involve ourselves in at some level.
If we don't do this much for ourselves, whatever we go through is in many ways just a sham because we are literally free to assume anything. People come to all sorts of strange conclusions as I'm sure you know when it comes to religion, spirituality, paranormal, consciousness, including whenever drug tripping is one factor (enthogens/shamanism).
I understand it's fun to imagine but it's worth it to be completely real with oneself and never stoop to less. A simple example is if you truly had perceived another dimension, and my mind is open to all sorts of possibilities, then it would not just be an isolated experience the way a dream is, it would be a real, actual place you could go to and not merely a mind-fantasy of some sort. If that's true, repeated drug trips (or whatever avenue you chose) would be able to yield repeated trips to the same dimension/place you had traveled to or perceived before and you would be able to at least verify that much. That is just simple logic.
If it were me in that situation I would go much further and be interested in what can be taken back with you. Maybe you can't take back a space-rock due to the apparent nature of the experience but you will be able to obtain information and report on it. If you can't and the ephemerality of the experience is such that nothing useful of it can be impacting to the reality here and now then you might as well forget about it - in select cases perhaps continue enjoying it at best (?) but then at least you would do so with a full awareness of and realizing that it was a drug trip and nothing more and not make incorrect distinctions between the two. I'm not saying that's absolutely what it is, I'm saying it's worth investigating, especially if you truly feel it's not dismissible under the category of an epic drug tripping episode.
You may be right - though almost no one will support your conclusion in this day and age without sharing your experience or going through it themselves first hand because you know how people are with the unknown and unfamiliar. But even if you prove to yourself that it wasn't real, you really can't lose, you will be better off for having known that too.
Lastly, an honest question is does it matter? It would to me. But if the whole purpose was the enjoyment of the trip maybe the ephemeral, dream like quality and nature of the experience is not the issue.
Please don't take it wrong, I don't think you would try and convince me otherwise, it was simply a way of highlighting my own believing it.
Well, in all honesty, it could very well be a product of my own mind but I've encountered it every or every other time when I smoke weed or trip on psychedelics ever since then. It's not easy to explain because it was so different. Imagine an empty space with nothing but gray cubes stuck to each other in a 3 dimensional pattern. When concentrating on these cubes, I started "zooming" in on them and it continued until I was on a completely other and much smaller scale, like if you "zoomed" your eyes in a way so that you could see atoms.
This continued for about an hour until I was on such an insane scale that there was nothing left but completely compressed and empty space (I call it the zero zone). The thing about this "dimension" is that I had two intense feelings about it, first of all, I felt like I'd seen it before somewhere. 2'nd, I was left with a belief that it was really a real other dimension because it gave my phantom sensations that I'm still boxing with. These pains include the intense feeling of someone smashing some sharp object into my eyeball, ripping off a nail or getting my teeth pulled out... Not very pleasant at all but I'm used to it now and working on finding out exactly what's going on.
And MDMA I take for Hedonistic reasons. It feels un-worldly amazing!
vf.nightcore
over 8 years ago"One should never fear drugs but only a fool does not respect them".
In general, if somebody asks me what it feels like to be affected by any given kind of recreational drug, I'll always tell them to think twice before taking something like that themselves and if they can't think of a particular reason, then don't do it at all...
Drugs like LSD, shrooms, NBOME and DMT can be very powerful tools for unlocking the mind, if done correctly and with caution. Potentially, you could end up with permanent brain damage if you act like a fool on this topic.
I've been tripping with people who insisted on going on adventure and that's fine... But they venture places like downtown and likewise.... That's not very smart, go by the seaside or in a forest or something similar. Going downtown while on LSD will highly increase the chance of provoking a bad trip. You want to feel as safe and comfortable as possible.
Hence, I prefer (against all recommendations) taking my drugs alone. That way I'm the only one in control of the whole event. I call the shots on when and where to go on adventure, I don't have to worry about getting paranoid around potential srangers who just tagged along because they know my friends. I can literally do whatever I want, and I'm the first person I've ever heard of who does this. People like other people's company in these things in order to feel safe, but I feel the most safe if I know that I'm alone.
I always highly recommend all people to wait until they're 18, at least, before going on such mind-blowing adventures. It really has a huge impact on the mind and thought patterns and if you're not ready for it, then it will fuck you over.
I can't really say that I know very much about that ^. Due to illness, I am unable to stress my body so hard workouts, training and physical hobbies are a no-go in some aspects.
Trips
Well, that one of the things the creative thread is for, and by now people have somewhat accepted my way of living.
I won't go in depth with it yet but I'll tell you the highlights.
On my MDMA trip with my friend; well he doesn't get affected by drugs. He's tried all the same as me with no visible signs of anything. However, mixing a high dose of MDMA with vodka and monster energy drinks will do something to everybody.. And so it did.
We were enjoying the night outside with blankets over us talking about the nice feeling, when he suddenly started making weird faces and movements. They are very difficult to explain seeing as it doesn't look quite like anything else. These "spasms" if you will, grew stronger and stronger and developed into him constantly getting stuck in an endless loop of evil thoughts and robotic tics/movements. It was extremely frightening to look at as he could not control it at all.
He grew a heavy paranoia against me and walked around black-out'in while doing strange things and seriously moving in un-humanly ways. I get the thrills just thinking back on it now. It ended up getting so bad that I had to call 911 and rush them to come over, as I didn't feel safe anymore. Several times, he'd showed signs of wanting to hurt me, but didn't due to the little self control he had left.
He asked me if I were dead or if he were dead, if he'd taken any weapons from his weapon locker and likewise... It really left me in a trauma for days and I still am a little paranoid...
The next couple of nights it haunted me and I didn't get any sleep at all, so I did what I normally do when I'm scared of something and can't get it out of my head; I looked up all info on it until it was not scary anymore.
It wasn't easy though, I had to link Torette's disorder with the use of MDMA to find that there exists a similar after-effect to MDMA as to Crystal meth, called "tweaking". In meth, this is a desired effect that can actually be amusing... However, when it comes to tweaking on MDMA, that means that you've done something that will eventually and literally cook your brain and cause physical damage. This is scary to think about but it is due to abuse and overdosing.
Dimensions
Please don't take it wrong, I don't think you would try and convince me otherwise, it was simply a way of highlighting my own believing it.
Well, in all honesty, it could very well be a product of my own mind but I've encountered it every or every other time when I smoke weed or trip on psychedelics ever since then. It's not easy to explain because it was so different. Imagine an empty space with nothing but gray cubes stuck to each other in a 3 dimensional pattern. When concentrating on these cubes, I started "zooming" in on them and it continued until I was on a completely other and much smaller scale, like if you "zoomed" your eyes in a way so that you could see atoms.
This continued for about an hour until I was on such an insane scale that there was nothing left but completely compressed and empty space (I call it the zero zone). The thing about this "dimension" is that I had two intense feelings about it, first of all, I felt like I'd seen it before somewhere. 2'nd, I was left with a belief that it was really a real other dimension because it gave my phantom sensations that I'm still boxing with. These pains include the intense feeling of someone smashing some sharp object into my eyeball, ripping off a nail or getting my teeth pulled out... Not very pleasant at all but I'm used to it now and working on finding out exactly what's going on.
And MDMA I take for Hedonistic reasons. It feels un-worldly amazing!