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SK7000 said: @Mnessie: I find it amazing how hard it is to get some of my meanings across. Even when I express myself in a way which I think is clear enough
Change of method
I'll try to be less verbose and stick to specific points only. I have this effect on a lot of people when I directly speak my mind. I keep an open train of thought but I see it is only confusing right now. Don't blame yourself for it. I think changing my approach should clear up most of the clouds.
I do understand your point well enough to work with it. I just ended up confusing you.
The only thing I really SHOULD have said about experience/life experience is that I look at it like I would a computer. More than the sum of its parts? Maybe for the lesser engineers and aesthetics...humans are beyond arrogant.
I will just focus on the point made in the following quote as best I can for now.
SK7000 said: What if the experience of these people is that they've found themselves to be terrible decision makers, and that they feel safer trusting the judgment of other people whom they deem wiser? I can imagine at least that scenario where it's sensible to follow that approach.
My reply
Beings sensibile can still be weak and less rewarding for growth and development. Provided it is a short term problem that couldn't be solved using the optimal reward solution then I can understand the reasoning behind it. But still it is never to be desired to use anything other than the optimal reward function for any problem.You may posit that the optimal function is the highest possible available function but that I find no justification for saying it is the best solution without providing a direct explanation of the context explaining why the true best solution. (The example at the end of my reply may help in explaining this. Hang onto this one for a second)
For example an argument runs amock and turns into a fight. Obviously solutions using words are quickly crossed off the list and other options become more appealing. However that doesn't justify the fight or your actions. It only makes you human with a limited amount of resources such as the lacking for time to find the perfect solution.
My point in this scenario would be that the ability to find a solution to ANY problem of ANY nature has to deal with the domain and scope of the problem. However that is no reason to accept an imperfect answer the correct answer once it has been made. Not even under the wings of "I did the best I could given the circumstances!" Contemplation on the process and afterthought can still yield the results that were missed. The only real argument to bring against that imo would be that other situations are always coming at you and require attention and have rewards of their own which should be weighed against it. With so many ongoing processes one must choose which is the best to spend time on and which isn't.
Imagine this. During a raid a cop ends up shooting a child who seemd to be pulling out a gun. Facts: The child seemed to unstable to the cop and his partner. He did have a gun. He did point it at them. Questions: Was he going to shoot? Could I have taken another action to prevent having to shoot? After deciding: "I need to shoot him" it is important to understand why one did what he/she did to learn from this obviously critical moment.
SK7000 said: A reply which might make no sense when you consider the next paragraph. The only things you can do is categorize your stances in "unstable" and "stable" states. The former are for areas where you feel there's still a significant chance your opinion will change provided further evidence. And the latter is for areas where you feel that you've been exposed to enough evidence that, barring unforeseen exceptional circumstances, you are unlikely to have a change of heart. Of course, that's not a dichotomy, but an axis with all your beliefs lying in different parts of it.
Well said.
SK7000 said: Clamp
I am not sure how to answer your question because I don't understand this: Both what? Bias and belief? How is a bias not a belief as well? And how are beliefs not biased (read: with a preference, fair or unfair) to match our expectations of how life is?
Ever heard of solipsism? It is the belief that you are the only thing that is real. If there were to be left or right turn from the bias discussion. My proposal is to go there or the theme of eternal life and how to make it work (for that person after obtaining it). Give me some more time to consider bias. I haven't reached anything new worth mentioning on this yet I think. (See also: Sidetracking, below)
feedback
Did my revisions and change of method in answering the question: 1: Help out 2: Confused more 3: Go unnoticed
I'd need to know in order to make any more sense ^_^
Sidetracking
If and when we're looking for new subject I would move forward solipsism(use in average human life and meaning) and immortality(how to make the best of live if one was). Training can not deal with all situations. Not even if we could write directly to memory. Yet somehow we always seem to find that we need to learn more when we can't learn everything. Maybe having just specialist drones is a better way to go but that makes the population itself so vulnerable to environmental changes :/
StahnAileron said: A bias or belief may lead to one or the other, but they don't really equate to each other, if you get what I mean.
Mnessie
almost 12 years agoI do understand your point well enough to work with it. I just ended up confusing you.
The only thing I really SHOULD have said about experience/life experience is that I look at it like I would a computer. More than the sum of its parts? Maybe for the lesser engineers and aesthetics...humans are beyond arrogant.
I will just focus on the point made in the following quote as best I can for now.
My reply
For example an argument runs amock and turns into a fight. Obviously solutions using words are quickly crossed off the list and other options become more appealing. However that doesn't justify the fight or your actions. It only makes you human with a limited amount of resources such as the lacking for time to find the perfect solution.
My point in this scenario would be that the ability to find a solution to ANY problem of ANY nature has to deal with the domain and scope of the problem. However that is no reason to accept an imperfect answer the correct answer once it has been made. Not even under the wings of "I did the best I could given the circumstances!" Contemplation on the process and afterthought can still yield the results that were missed. The only real argument to bring against that imo would be that other situations are always coming at you and require attention and have rewards of their own which should be weighed against it. With so many ongoing processes one must choose which is the best to spend time on and which isn't.
Imagine this. During a raid a cop ends up shooting a child who seemd to be pulling out a gun. Facts: The child seemed to unstable to the cop and his partner. He did have a gun. He did point it at them. Questions: Was he going to shoot? Could I have taken another action to prevent having to shoot?
After deciding: "I need to shoot him" it is important to understand why one did what he/she did to learn from this obviously critical moment.
Well said.
Ever heard of solipsism? It is the belief that you are the only thing that is real. If there were to be left or right turn from the bias discussion. My proposal is to go there or the theme of eternal life and how to make it work (for that person after obtaining it). Give me some more time to consider bias. I haven't reached anything new worth mentioning on this yet I think. (See also: Sidetracking, below)
feedback
Did my revisions and change of method in answering the question:
1: Help out
2: Confused more
3: Go unnoticed
I'd need to know in order to make any more sense ^_^
Sidetracking
If and when we're looking for new subject I would move forward solipsism(use in average human life and meaning) and immortality(how to make the best of live if one was).
Training can not deal with all situations. Not even if we could write directly to memory. Yet somehow we always seem to find that we need to learn more when we can't learn everything. Maybe having just specialist drones is a better way to go but that makes the population itself so vulnerable to environmental changes :/
I think I do.