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Thoughts on Mnessie's apparent lack of faith on humanity.Mnessie, I get the impression you don't have much faith in your fellow human beings. That might explain your propensity to think you can do a better decision than others, or lack of humbleness. If one's life experience says that most other people are really crappy human beings, then it's only natural to come to the conclusion you can only trust on yourself to get things done right.
On the important of humbleness and my lack of it.
I will have to admit as well that humbleness is not my forte. I can very easily come off as arrogant, but that's because during my uprising I got the impression that I was always right and I couldn't lose any arguments. Thus, the arrogant streak that I have to deal with every day in my quest to become more humble.
By the way, I consider humbleness one of the most important traits a person can has. It is indispensable in order to turn intelligence/knowledge into wisdom. Without it, we'd all become rather selfish and cold-hearted towards others (just my belief, though it seems to make sense if you assume that humbleness is required in order to not be selfish).
But I must point out that I find it risky to assume learning value remains the same in this situation.
It was not assumed. The focus was on making the best decision, not on learning the most out of the situation (no need to go deeper into this). I think it shouldn't require arguing that a lesson learned from your own mistakes has a much deeper effect than learning from the mistakes of others (though it is still a mistake on our part if we don't take the opportunity to learn from others' mistakes).
Bias definition.I see bias as a perspective based on individual morality without consideration of the environment (which makes it prejudiced and unfair towards another perspective). The person can be aware of it. ... It remains to be seen if the person involved can actually act upon such moral guidance. But I would ask out of curiosity, how often has your mood been that it wasn't so?
For a biased decision to win, all you have to do is feel emotionally strong about it, thus reacting with your gut instinct instead of applying your brains (and deciding what is best).
I know I've slipped in the past, but it doesn't happens often as it takes a very particular set of circumstances to upset me to that point.
@Davis, I could understand your post, actually. The only thing that worries me is that we use varying definitions for bias in the different posts we've mentioned so far.
Defining bias for the 7th time.Bias is simply not having an impartial opinion. However, sometimes we treat it as if bias is simply having an opinion. The important thing to recognize about a bias, is that it is an unfair preference. Mnessie explains it with a typical use-case, when you make decisions based on your own personal experience without considering the experience of others. That's unfair because it's basically denying the validity of the experience of other people.
We'll always have opinions and preferences in most issues, because rarely something is black & white where one choice is absolutely, irrevocably better in every aspect than the other. The only way to not have an opinion is when you simply don't care about the topic, at all.
And that's what the immortal observer would be like: uncaring, but accepting.And that's what would happen with an immortal observer. After enough time passes, the observer would realize the futility in caring about different perspectives and arguing who is right or wrong. As Davis said, he would simply "let things be." Or as the Buddha once said, "all is as it should be."' The observer would simply be emotionally detached from the world.
objectionability = counter-bias. in order to be objective, you had to have been exposed to biasness;
I can object to this. I'd say that being objective involves being able to spot a bias and counter it. If you say that "objectiveness is the lack of bias", then why do you have to have bias in order to nurture objectivity? What if you just didn't have a bias to begin with, you cannot be objective then? o.O'
PS: Gosh, why do my posts seem so long even after I have spoiled the hell out of them? x_x'
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almost 12 years agoThoughts on Mnessie's apparent lack of faith on humanity.Mnessie, I get the impression you don't have much faith in your fellow human beings. That might explain your propensity to think you can do a better decision than others, or lack of humbleness. If one's life experience says that most other people are really crappy human beings, then it's only natural to come to the conclusion you can only trust on yourself to get things done right.
On the important of humbleness and my lack of it.
By the way, I consider humbleness one of the most important traits a person can has. It is indispensable in order to turn intelligence/knowledge into wisdom. Without it, we'd all become rather selfish and cold-hearted towards others (just my belief, though it seems to make sense if you assume that humbleness is required in order to not be selfish).
It was not assumed. The focus was on making the best decision, not on learning the most out of the situation (no need to go deeper into this). I think it shouldn't require arguing that a lesson learned from your own mistakes has a much deeper effect than learning from the mistakes of others (though it is still a mistake on our part if we don't take the opportunity to learn from others' mistakes).
For a biased decision to win, all you have to do is feel emotionally strong about it, thus reacting with your gut instinct instead of applying your brains (and deciding what is best).
I know I've slipped in the past, but it doesn't happens often as it takes a very particular set of circumstances to upset me to that point.
@Davis, I could understand your post, actually. The only thing that worries me is that we use varying definitions for bias in the different posts we've mentioned so far.
Defining bias for the 7th time.Bias is simply not having an impartial opinion. However, sometimes we treat it as if bias is simply having an opinion. The important thing to recognize about a bias, is that it is an unfair preference. Mnessie explains it with a typical use-case, when you make decisions based on your own personal experience without considering the experience of others. That's unfair because it's basically denying the validity of the experience of other people.
We'll always have opinions and preferences in most issues, because rarely something is black & white where one choice is absolutely, irrevocably better in every aspect than the other. The only way to not have an opinion is when you simply don't care about the topic, at all.
And that's what the immortal observer would be like: uncaring, but accepting.And that's what would happen with an immortal observer. After enough time passes, the observer would realize the futility in caring about different perspectives and arguing who is right or wrong. As Davis said, he would simply "let things be." Or as the Buddha once said, "all is as it should be."' The observer would simply be emotionally detached from the world.
I can object to this. I'd say that being objective involves being able to spot a bias and counter it. If you say that "objectiveness is the lack of bias", then why do you have to have bias in order to nurture objectivity? What if you just didn't have a bias to begin with, you cannot be objective then? o.O'
PS: Gosh, why do my posts seem so long even after I have spoiled the hell out of them? x_x'